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If certain competencies are being developed,

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and perhaps it is absent

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from the public consciousness,

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knowledge of these competencies isn't widespread,

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and the perception of Polish studies

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is in some way incomplete,

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then I think

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it's worth talking about.

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Definitely.

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[Karolina Malinowska:] Hi Piotr,

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long time no see.

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[Piotr Bordzoł:] Hi Karolina.

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[KM:] Listen,

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what have you been up to lately?

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Tell me.

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[PB:] You know,

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it's a good question

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You know, I work a bit in education,

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a bit in literature.

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[KM:] So,

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what exactly can a Polish studies scholar do

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these days?

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[PB:] Oh, that's an even better question.

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You know,

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I think the general perception is

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that a Polish studies graduate is primarily

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a Polish language teacher.

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That's probably how we're perceived,

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but considering various studies

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that discuss

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what the job market will look like in the future,

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it seems

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that Polish studies develop

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such competencies

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that fit the requirements indicated

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in various reports and studies.

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[KM:] Yes, and besides, I'm looking at you

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and you're not a Polish language teacher.

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[PB:] Yes, I'm not and never have been.

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And indeed, I've used my Polish language skills

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in many different places

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and in many different ways.

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And I think this flexibility is

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the fundamental competency

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that allows me to function in the job market. 

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[KM:] It would be nice to investigate

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how Polish studies graduates and people

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who choose these studies somehow

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build their career paths.

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[PB:] Yes, definitely.

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I don't think

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there's been any research like this before.

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This is important

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because, when we look at the results of graduate studies,

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it turns out

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that Polish studies graduates take much longer to find

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their first job

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than those from other fields.

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And unfortunately, the salaries of Polish studies graduates

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are significantly below average compared

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to other fields.

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And yet, it's not an easy degree program.

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As we said,

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it develops various skills,

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including, at first glance,

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soft,

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universal

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skills that could perfectly fit

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into employers' requirements.

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[KM:] Do you think

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this is a matter of employers' perceptions of

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who a Polish studies graduates are and what they can do,

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or perhaps something else?

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[PB:] Exactly,

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that would probably be worth investigating,

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because it's probably the employers' vision on the one hand, and here,

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yes, I think

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it would be good to analyze

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job offers, for example, in terms of

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whether Polish studies are mentioned directly,

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or perhaps it's described

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in some other way.

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But I think

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it's also perhaps a matter of graduates themselves,

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who don't always have

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precise and clear information about

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what industries they can look for work in

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and in which direction

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to continue their development so

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as to actually embark on a

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clear career path.

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[KM:] You know,

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I'd already been looking through job offers for a while

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before we met, and it's clear

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that these offers are described differently than they used to be.

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Formal education

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is indeed less often mentioned as a 'must have,'

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what is more described 

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are the skills and experiences of people

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the employer needs.

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And even when I looked at humanities studies

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and humanities graduates,

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sometimes it's written descriptively,

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without specifying a specific field of study.

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And that's an interesting shift,

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because these offers really did look different back then.

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[PB:] You know,

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yes,

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I agree with you, of course.

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Now the question is

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how to interpret this and how to approach it

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when it comes to Polish studies themselves?

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Because, you know,

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it's also a question about potential candidates for

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these specific fields.

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What are their motivations?

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Do they, for example, analyze,

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let's say,

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the programs of these studies,

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or the syllabi of individual classes,

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and does these programs provide any information

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that strengthens this motivation?

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I mean,

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I don't know,

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knowing the requirements of the job market and also knowing what

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I want to do in life,

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do I

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actually find this information in these Polish studies, and do I treat these studies

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as ones that

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can help me develop?

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Of course,

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this greater flexibility and different approach

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probably apply not only to job offers themselves,

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but also to

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how educational paths and

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career paths for students and graduates are shaped.

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Two-cycle studies offer the possibility of various combinations.

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We also have a developed market for non-formal

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and informal education,

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which probably also allows for various kinds of combinations

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and such gaps, leaks

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in formal education,

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which also in some way strengthen the agency

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of Polish studies students.

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Nevertheless, all of this,

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as we're discussing here,

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is very interesting and, I think,

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perhaps not yet developed.

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[KM:] And I also think about the results of many analyses,

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but ones

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that project a vision of the professional future,

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and I read there

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that, for example, over 60% of current secondary school students

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will in the future work

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in professions

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that don't exist now,

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or not even professions,

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but rather in positions

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that don't exist yet,

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or perform jobs

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that don't yet exist.

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I'll be honest,

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these data shocked me a bit,

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but on the other hand, it shows

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a certain flexibility in the job market,

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and the way we think about professions

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that were once truly popular

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is no longer relevant to what

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is happening now.

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[PB:] Yes, I think the flexibility of the job market,

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but also the unpredictability of that market.

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And again, the question

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is whether Polish studies are the key,

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because as I talk to various friends of mine,

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and also people

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who work at universities

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that offer such studies,

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these studies are also thought of as a set of

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certain universal competencies

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that really help in pursuing

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these different paths and also facilitate

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a certain flexibility in performing tasks

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that we might not even think about today,

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but which require a certain creativity,

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analytical thinking,

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the ability to access various types of information

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and also to process it efficiently.

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Polish studies probably respond to this in some way,

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but I don't know.

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Perhaps it's a matter of promotion,

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or perhaps simply raising awareness of certain issues.

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[KM:] Well,

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we've been working on this very topic

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of identifying skills for years

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and the broadly defined topic of competences

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and qualifications.

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I wonder

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if people

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who don't deal with this

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see these various connections,

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if they can see

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what's really happening in humanities studies,

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how many universal

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or transferable skills there are

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that can be used in a wide variety of jobs.

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And I think

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it would be great to talk to different people

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who have previously graduated in Polish studies,

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who are currently studying, or who will soon be graduating,

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and determine

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whether they truly think in terms of skills,

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or in terms of job opportunities,

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or perhaps something else.

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I also think

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that for many people,

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and that's my hypothesis,

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Polish studies can be the realization of certain ideas,

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dreams about a certain field

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that is very important.

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[PB:] Yes,

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definitely.

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In my opinion, this is a great idea, and

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the analysis

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you mentioned

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could be a guide,

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a starting point, for example, for examining

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how the studies themselves are described in various documents

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and whether these documents,

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for example, the skills

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we're talking about here,

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somehow derive from them,

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whether they are sufficiently clear to candidates,

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students,

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graduates, and employers,

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whether they actually facilitate thinking

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about this or that educational and career path,

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and whether they actually demonstrate the value of Polish studies

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that we're discussing here today,

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which seems to have somehow emerged  

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from our conversation.

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[KM:] I think

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we should also ask people

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who support others

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in building this kind of career path,

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such as career counselors and

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job coaches,

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how they see it

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and how they would support Polish studies graduates

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in building such a portfolio for employers.

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What do you think about this?

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[PB:] I think

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it's a brilliant idea, and now that

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you're talking about it,

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it also occurs to me that

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it might be worth talking to employers themselves

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who have ever dealt with a Polish studies major,

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a Polish studies graduate.

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Perhaps they employ such graduates,

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and I'm thinking

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that perhaps they don't have to be just employers

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in fields obvious to Polish studies,

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like schools,

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editorial offices, or

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publishing houses,

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but perhaps also what

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we call,

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I don't know,

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jobs of the future,

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related to certain industries,

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like technology.

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Perhaps the competencies

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we're talking about

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could be useful there in some way.

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[KM:] Definitely.

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You know,

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these topics resonate with my researcher soul, and

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I'm ready for various activities.

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I'd love to have such conversations,

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such interviews.

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And you?

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[PB:] Of course.

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Listen,

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I'm really glad

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we met,

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and that our conversation turned to this topic,

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because I think

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we have a great idea,

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certainly a very ambitious one.

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I don't think

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anyone has dealt wit this
 
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before, as we've said.

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However, I think

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it could also show those

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responsible for Polish studies programs

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how to describe them.

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Perhaps they'll find information there about what

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is missing in these studies,

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what's too much,

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or maybe they'll also draw attention, for example,

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to some issues related to promoting the program

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among specific groups of employers and

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candidates, and this will actually contribute

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to presenting Polish studies as an important discipline,  

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both from a social

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and, let's call it,

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professional

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perspective.

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[KM:] Something

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a bit controversial occurred to me.

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Wouldn't bringing Polish studies closer to the job market

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detract from the academic character of these studies?

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This discussion about

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What studies are

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and what they shouldn't be,

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how do universities differ from places

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where we explicitly learn

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professional skills?

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It's within the community.

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So what do you think about that?

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[PB:] You know,

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that's also an important issue, of course.

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I think

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we should probably find a

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happy medium,

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because it's not about

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turning Polish studies

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into higher vocational studies,

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in the direct sense,

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but the competencies

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we're talking about here

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probably fall within the category of academics

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and can be developed 

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within a certain university ethos.

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Because, of course,

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the motivations

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for choosing Polish studies, as we've discussed,

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can be very diverse.

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Perhaps such motivations also include

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the desire to study,

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to find one's place in a certain environment,

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the desire to be at university in general,

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without any specific plans  

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or strictly professional

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ambitions that would translate into

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finances,

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which is also where we started our conversation.

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So it's not about

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throwing the baby out with the bathwater,

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I think.

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However,

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studies are a stage in a career path.

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If certain competencies are developed,

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and perhaps this isn't

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common knowledge,

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knowledge about these competencies isn't widespread,

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and the perception of Polish studies is

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somewhat incomplete,

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then I think

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it's worth talking about.

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[KM:] Definitely.

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I think

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this somehow gives us an idea

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for a research project

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that we could implement and that could yield

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interesting data.

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I also think

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it might be worth talking,

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as you say,

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with people

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who chose Polish studies

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for reasons that weren't necessarily professional,

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but rather to pursue a passion or dream

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they'd been thinking about.

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And I also think

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it's worth talking with people of different ages,

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because generational differences can actually

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play a role here.

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What were these studies like back then,

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and what are they like now,

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in your opinion?

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[PB:] Yes, I think

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that's a really good idea.

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We should probably use

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some kind of research methodology

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here that would allow us to show a cross-section

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of graduates and

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students and identify these different motivations.

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And so,

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as you say,

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this seems to be shaping up to be an interesting research project,

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one that could indeed have many threads, and I think

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it could yield a lot of interesting information.

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[KM:] Let's summarize.

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We'll interview a variety of people,

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including Polish studies graduates,

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Polish studies students,

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people who have been in the job market for a long time

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but actually have this degree,

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employers, and perhaps people who support the development

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of others,

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coaches, job coaches,

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or career advisors.

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We'll analyze data from ELI,

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the system for monitoring the careers of university graduates.

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We'll look at job advertisements.

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[PB:] I think

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it's worth analyzing the documents

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that describe the studies themselves,

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the programs,

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syllabi,

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textbooks,

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and generally considering

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what the current job market looks like and

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what it will look like in the future,

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so we can find various points of reference

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and as many dots as possible

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that we can try to connect.

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[KM:] Great,

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I'm all for it.

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Okay,

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listen, let's plan further actions then.

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[PB:] Let's plan and we'll keep you informed.

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[KM:] Yes,

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thank you very much.

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Thanks for meeting us.

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[PB:] See you soon.

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